The ‘halvening’ is coming — what this means for bitcoin (amycastor.com)
from dgerard@awful.systems to buttcoin@awful.systems on 21 Feb 2024 23:43
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AcausalRobotGod@awful.systems on 22 Feb 2024 00:08 next collapse

This is good news for Bitcoin

dgerard@awful.systems on 22 Feb 2024 14:58 collapse

my simulation predicts it with high probability

Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems on 22 Feb 2024 08:22 next collapse

Maybe I’m remembering this wrong, but isn’t block difficulty adjusted depending on how much computing is thrown at the blockchain? Which means the incentive for miners would be, uh, just power through and hope your competitors fold before you do? Like the car scene in Rebel Without a Cause but boring and stupid.

gerikson@awful.systems on 22 Feb 2024 12:51 next collapse

Correct, the difficulty (official term) adjusts every ~14 days so that the average time between blocks remains 10 minutes or so. But the rewards of each block is constant within each halving period. So you can outcompete other miners by purchasing better hardware, or getting cheaper power, but it’s a slow grinding process.

The halvening instantly halves the block reward, so everything is twice as expensive per bitcoin. If your margins are thin now, they’re even thinner after the halvening.

Here’s a chart of the difficulty over time (no endorsement of blockchain.com, this is public info):

www.blockchain.com/explorer/charts/difficulty

Soyweiser@awful.systems on 22 Feb 2024 13:23 next collapse

Yeah, and even worse for bitcoin, when all the miner competitors fold (and the block difficulty goes down) the old mining equipment still exists. So this could be cheaply gotten by bad(er) faith people who want to fuck with the mining (for which you wouldn’t need to run the rigs constantly, or in the case of some bad faith miners they are not really bound that much by budgets). Of course the utility of this is a bit low, as most you can do (I think) is disrupt parts of network for a while (which could open up some financial fraud things) but still, if I was a state looking to disrupt crypto because some of my enemies are using it, getting large mining capacity at pennies for the dollar would be a potential move (I don’t think states actually see crypto at large as a threat to anything btw, which if I was a diehard gold standard anti state cypherpunk crypto bro would make me worry).

I do wonder if the price of mining will eventually fall so low that only state backed miners or fraudulent miners can still mine (mining is easy if you don’t pay for your power).

dgerard@awful.systems on 22 Feb 2024 14:59 collapse

yep! bitcoin is literally anti-efficient

Noodle07@lemmy.world on 22 Feb 2024 17:15 collapse

It’s very efficient for the people selling energy and mining equipment

fasterandworse@awful.systems on 22 Feb 2024 16:53 next collapse

it’s so dumb! IT’S SO DUMB!

dgerard@awful.systems on 23 Feb 2024 01:28 collapse

it can’t be that stupid, you must be explaining it wrong

fasterandworse@awful.systems on 23 Feb 2024 08:35 collapse

On top of the libertarian agenda there is this gambling/betting agenda that is in the DNA of all this stuff. For example, immutability is a bet that the bad reasons for modifying something will always be more prominent than the good reasons. The reasons for modifying something in the future is an unanswerable question, but they’ve bet on an outcome. I remember reading the Arweave documentation about how they feel they can claim that it is a permanent storage solution based on tokenomics and all that shit. Just like the halvening, it’s a bet that the thing will exponentially increase in relevance, usefulness, importance etc. The bet is that more people are mining bitcoin because it is becoming more important for life. It’s like they’re so sure of the usefulness they never bother to talk about it, instead they talk about the nitty gritty around an imaginary world where the bet has paid off.

It’s like picking numbers for a lotto ticket you’ll buy in 20 years time and spending the next 20 years planning how to properly manage all the money you will win.

fasterandworse@awful.systems on 23 Feb 2024 08:45 next collapse

I know it’s obvious. I’m just marveling about a subject I’ve avoided thinking about for a good amount of time

gerikson@awful.systems on 23 Feb 2024 11:56 collapse

Funnily enough, a big cheese in the early Bitcoin era is noted crazy person Luke-Jr, who released his own fork of a client that censored SatoshiDice because he is a sedevacantist Catholic who hates gambling.

[deleted] on 23 Feb 2024 12:14 collapse
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gerikson@awful.systems on 23 Feb 2024 14:09 collapse

I’m low-key fascinated by Luke-Jr’s craziness, but it’s kinda sad because apparently he has multiple kids.

  • he opposed “big blockers” (the proposal to increase the Bitcoin block size beyond 1MB) because he lives in rural Florida and has bad bandwidth. (The big blockers subsequently created “Bitcoin Cash”, tried to get it the ticket BCC, but did not succeed because that was used by scamcoin Bitcoin Connect. They also missed registering /r/BCH, which was instantly squatted on by anti-Bitcoin Cash people)
  • in the beginning of Covid he washed all fresh produce in bleach
  • he proposed Tonal as Bitcoin nomenclature: en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Tonal_Bitcoin (1 bitcoin-bong, anyone?)
  • he lost a lot of coins in a scam in early 2023: gerikson.com/m/2023/01/index.html#2023-01-02_mond…

Since BTC went mainstream these people just don’t have as much impact anymore.

[deleted] on 23 Feb 2024 19:03 next collapse
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gerikson@awful.systems on 24 Feb 2024 16:59 collapse

Fair warning, I’m not a Yank and am culturally Lutheran (but personally areligious), so take this editorializing with a pinch of salt, but it does seem like performative tradcath is a facet of weird online culture

gerikson.com/m/2022/08/index.html#2022-08-10_wedn…

Also agree re: SovCits and other subcultures, these people can really hurt their family and that’s not cool.

[deleted] on 24 Feb 2024 17:20 collapse
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self@awful.systems on 23 Feb 2024 19:43 next collapse

he opposed “big blockers” (the proposal to increase the Bitcoin block size beyond 1MB) because he lives in rural Florida and has bad bandwidth

it’s always fucking Florida

there’s something quaint about the pure crankishness behind blocking an important change to a global network you think will revolutionize everything because you might not be able to mine at home with your 1 Mbit of shitty Comcast cable internet and for whatever reason don’t want to move into even a cheap data center. just shitty mining on a shitty connection forever and fuck everybody else. when ex-crypto folks tell me the block size decision was when crypto got too stupid for them, I didn’t imagine it’d be this level of stupid

froztbyte@awful.systems on 23 Feb 2024 22:11 collapse

Bet you the same people are jonesing for starlink

dgerard@awful.systems on 24 Feb 2024 17:20 collapse

he’s also a geocentrist

gerikson@awful.systems on 24 Feb 2024 20:15 collapse

Impressive commitment to the bit.

dgerard@awful.systems on 24 Feb 2024 20:21 collapse

being good at computor turns out not to correlate with any other personality characteristic

self@awful.systems on 24 Feb 2024 21:06 collapse

my child self cannot believe that every futurist blogger and sci-fi RPG would lie to them like this

Daughter3546@lemmy.world on 22 Feb 2024 23:26 collapse

No need to worry about inflation if you can’t print more money /s

Lmao.

Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems on 23 Feb 2024 11:22 collapse

I think that’s literally the reason they designed it this way lol. At least it’s been the line from as far back as I remember. Because we all know inflation is bad, so surely a strongly deflationary currency must be really good!!! It’s just free value!!!

gerikson@awful.systems on 23 Feb 2024 11:53 collapse

“If inflation is bad, deflation must be good” was a notion I had when I was like 12, my dad (an economist) swiftly disabused me of that notion.

I think there’s a (deliberate?) confusion about the interwar years. People know 2 things:

  • the Great Depression
  • hyperinflation in Wiemar Germany

They think those are connected (they are, kinda) and think that inflation caused the great Depression, when in fact it was characterized by deflation.

Back in the early days of Bitcoin there was this weird Mellon-esque view that debt==bad and that a deflationary economy would encourage savings. This is one of the many ways that Austrian economics is childish and shallow.

Another thing I’ve had thought about - if the gold standard is so superior, why doesn’t a country base its currency on it and outcompete everyone else? If you ask that you’ll inevitably get conspiracy theories about how (((they))) won’d allow it.

Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems on 23 Feb 2024 12:55 next collapse

I’ve had someone try to bully me into buying Luna a couple months before it collapsed because they understood economics and I was a fool for not wanting free money and letting my vast welfare ressources get eaten by inflation. I don’t think crypto can function without this narrative.

Also I’m wondering now how they square their Ponzi scheming with the popular libertarian slogan about free lunches, and I imagine the answer is something like “by not thinking about it”.

raktheundead@fedia.io on 23 Feb 2024 15:11 collapse

I'm of the opinion that the gold standard was obsolete around the time when the railroad and the telegraph were being rolled out on a wide scale and that shiny metal fetishism was heavily responsible for the longer and deeper economic crises of the 1800s and early 1900s.

dgerard@awful.systems on 24 Feb 2024 17:19 collapse

this is basically correct, yes