Petition: Bitcoin is Stupid and Does Not Deserve an Emoji
from smallpatatas@lemm.ee to buttcoin@awful.systems on 31 Jul 2024 07:06
https://lemm.ee/post/38424460
from smallpatatas@lemm.ee to buttcoin@awful.systems on 31 Jul 2024 07:06
https://lemm.ee/post/38424460
35 crypto companies made a Change Dot Org petition called “Bitcoin Deserves an Emoji”
F that
Sign this one instead: “Bitcoin is Stupid and Does Not Deserve an Emoji”: www.change.org/bitcoin-is-stupid
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Who gives an actual fuck?
Well.
Step one. Bitcoin gets emoji.
Step two. Young people and other folks with fragile minds think it's legit because it has an emoji.
Step three. Poor people lose their money.
Outcome: The rich get rich, the poor stay poor.
Alternatively:
Step one. Bitcoin gets emoji.
Step two. Young people and other folks with fragile minds think it's legit because it has an emoji.
Step three. Crypto currencies keep burning through resources as if it was a Brazilian rainforest.
Outcome: The few lucky ones will feel really stupid living in their bunkers after the collapse.
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have some entirely non-political emojis:
🗳️: BALLOT BOX WITH BALLOT
🇹🇼: FLAG: TAIWAN
🇵🇸: FLAG: PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES
🗽: STATUE OF LIBERTY
🤡: FACE OF “NON-POLITICAL” PERSON
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When does it just become free advertising though? Should McDonald’s get an arches emoji?
this isn’t debate club, come back later
addendum to what my co-admin said: don’t come back later, these posts are so fucking terrible I don’t want them in my database
If scientology had an emoji then the comparison would be apt.
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🤯: me when ☦️, ☪️, ☯️, ☸️, ✝️, 🕉️, ✡️ all have emojis making each one legitimate.
They’re stupid internet pictures people aren’t going to make financial decisions off of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion
They're all legitimate, doesn't make them factual.
There is also an emoji for thieves. A cute one, even. Will young people start living that thug life because of the emoji?
How do you think the whole “be gay, do crimes” started? /s
What exactly is your definition of legitimate?
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There is a wine emoji… There is a cigarette emoji…
People with fragile mind could think that it’s perfectly healthy to consume that stuff…
There is even a bomb emoji… People with fragile mind could…
Edit: Thanks for the dislikes. Negativity is way better than sharing arguments!!!111
yeah you’re annoying as fuck and we don’t need your posts
There’s people out there that don’t think emojis are as stupid as Bitcoin. Or maybe it’s the other way around. Either way, there’s some people out there and they’re wrong.
🤔
Very good and well made
Nice.
Maybe a hot take, but I think emojis are stupid, so maybe bitcoin deserves one after all?
Emojis are not stupid when used well. They help add more context to a text.
If people use emojis stupidly, chances are they’ll use “the alphabet” stupidly as well if there were no emojis. As in “lol like wat de eff amirite anyway bei felicia!”
Really curious on what grounds, like is the entire idea of a pictogram stupid?
I'm 48 years old, so I didn't grow up with them. I do think some of them have their place though, but there's quite a lot of novelty emojis. So I guess that I'm an old guy who only likes the old ascii emoticons.
😡🤜☁️
🫵
𓆯𓇋𓂋𓎼𓇋𓈖 𓉔𓇋𓅂𓂋𓅱𓎼𓃭𓇌𓊪𓉔𓇋𓎢𓋴 vs 𐤊𐤄𐤃 𐤐𐤄𐤍𐤎𐤍
“uncle sam…”
This may be the best usage of emojis ever. I think we should probably shit down emojis as a whole, they’ll never get better than this comment.
Oh, shoot. I mean
☝️🤯👏🎉
IMO the best use of emojis was when Chinese citizens used them to share info about covid while the govt was actively censoring it (that article calls them emoticons for some reason though)
PUNCH THE FART
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i’m fifty, and you’re full of it.
We already have 🅱️
ay 🅱️🅱️, wan sum fuk?
we also have 💩
crime coin should be banned since its only use case is illegal activity
Ban cash then! BTC isnt a holy grail but a deregulated international currency isnt a bad idea
boy was that a quick exit
You can’t ban the roads because smugglers use them
we can ban the crime coin because literally the coiners themselves admit it’s crime coin and that that’s a problem for crime coin
also roads are useful for non-criming and crime coin isn’t
Yes, I agree there is a stigma around bitcoin because of the amount of scams and ransomware that is around them but I don’t want to delegitimize decentralized currency.
Currently the options are really bad because of the amount of resources they consume and their use as an investment option. I really wish there could be an option to have money outside of government control.
I agree decentralized currency is great.
All I need is some quarters and I can start my laundry without waiting half an hour for the centralized blockchain ledger’s global state to acknowledge the transaction.
That’s true, cash can be a more private alternative to electronic transactions but I also want an electronic counterpart, something with private and public keys. I am not knowledgeable enough on currencies and transactions to know how the system would work
Happily there are plenty of good examples of how such a system would work in practise… Web3 is Going Just Great, Attack of the 50 Foot Blockchain or Amy Castor perhaps.
Blockchain will never be a good system of private transactions as it takes too many resources to run it and you have to fork it all of the time because the chains get too heavy. That much I know and agree with.
I want an alternative and currently after the grift made because of crypto, no one wants to innovate in a private and decentralized currency. In truth, I haven’t searched that much for an alternative.
The problem isn’t just the nature of blockchains, the problem is the uses to which such systems will be put. The explosion in ransomware fuelled by bitcoin et al isn’t something that can be replicated with physical cash at the same scale, for example (consider why you want electronic cash in the first place). Similarly, the need to “be your own bank” will always expose you to a greater risk of fraud and theft and loss, because being a bank is harder than people seem to think.
The technology involved is (almost) irrelevant.
I wanted this “electronic cash” to make it easier to carry cash without ending with lots of coins in my wallet. The point of being your own bank seems dangerous and too convoluted to make it more convenient.
I guess I will keep trying to use cash whenever I can and call it a day.
So I realise that this is very euro-centric and the majority of people on earth don’t get this sort of convenience, but… fast and easy interbank transfers and contactless debit and credit card payments just do all the stuff that most people want out of electronic cash, and transaction logs are a small price to pay for a substantial reduction in risk.
I use those services currently but I would prefer not to have logs of what I do with my money in someone’s computer
You realise that all electronic currencies will necessarily involve transaction logs stored in someone else’s computer? Even Zcash and monero, which have clever anonymous transactions, allow selective disclosure of the details of those transactions if you ever find yourself at the wrong end of a criminal investigation or tax audit. Moreover, their anonymity guarantees are not perfect (the IRS has certainly paid big bucks to chainalysis for de-anonymisation, for what that’s worth).
Unless someone magically invents a software artefact that can’t be duplicated (don’t hold your breath, I’m serious about the magic) there’s no escape from this fundamental requirement.
Using that logic, the US government has enough computing power to decrypt your internet traffic even if you use a VPN. I only want more protection, not complete anonymity.
And for what it’s worth, I think that the protection an internet service can provide is only “trust that we are doing it right”, every data leak that is happening is proof of this.
No. Not even slightly.
I see you are completely unfamiliar with any of the issues here. I appreciate they are complex, but I don’t have the time or patience to educate you right now, even assuming you’re willing to learn.
Can you leave me with some reading material regarding the problems of trying to get privacy in electronic currency?
Something like the de-anonymisation of monero, I think it’s interesting and will try to read more about it.
are you dim? you literally replied “hey can you spend some time to give me things for free” to someone who literally explicitly made it clear that they don’t have the time
it sounds like you already have some idea of what you want to know about, maybe you should act on that curiousity! by, idunno, going to find the information? it’s not like this stuff hasn’t been well-covered spanning the space of a decade, or as though there aren’t literally companies that do this as their whole thing. nah, gonna have to be greenfields research, hard shit.
Sorry if the message came out entitled to the research. As rook sent some news sites about crypto, I thought some research papers about the deanonymizing monero would be readily available.
Define control
Knowing the where, who and why of every transaction. In other chain I agree cash is a good alternative but without an electronic component that I would prefer.
here in the world, money is a function of society
Aktually, you can’t ban roads because normal people use them
how did this of all the posts break containment
crossposting, I think, but I was also 🤨 for a moment there…
wait no it’s not literally crossposted
yeah I got nothing.
We assumed too much good faith. Time to lock it down
I’m sorry 😂
Emojis should be purely generic, and not represent an individual product or service.
No apple logo. No BMW logo. Generic.
Imagine if every brand had a fucking emoji, what a wasteland that would be. And then in years to come the unicode character space is littered with dead brands that have gone the way of the dinosaur but still living on in emoji form like digital trash, because emoji are permanent. There’s no taking it out once it’s made.
So I’d support an emoji to represent the notion of ‘digital currency’ but it should be generic, not Bitcoin.
We already have a bunch of currency specific emojis, so it’s already too late for this notion 💱💲💰🪙💷💶💴💵💸
Bitcoin is not a currency
Depends on who you ask
It is a good lithmus test indeed.
Yes it tests whether someone knows what a currency is.
It says enough about a person’s worldview and education if they are serious about bitcoin being a viable currency. Specifically bitcoin. That was my point.
Appealing to Wikipedia is… a choice.
<img alt="" src="https://awful.systems/pictrs/image/1b77bce3-01df-4e94-a65b-064ba193887c.png">
Why not?
A lot of things exist in emoji because of early adopter advantage. A lot of the money stuff is either dollar or yen for this reason because they were first to the table. It’s the same reason there are also so many other non-money emoji that represent quite uniquely Japanese cultural concepts in there.
There’s a heck of a lot of world currency missing from emoji, but I would never suggest adding them all in. Everyone across the world is quite happy to use emoji with $ on as a synonym for ‘money’ regardless of what currency they actually use, so that already gets the job done as “generic money symbol”
It works because $ is so culturally ubiquitous.
When it comes to designing a new emoji that represents ‘digital currency’ we could take a similar approach as with fiat currency and just pick the most well known one (BTC) and roll with it.
But my preference would be to do otherwise, and design a non-specific emoji which represents the concept but without just being an existing logo.
Me neither, I actually think there are way too many emoji already
There are some brand emojis in the Private Use Area, such as the Apple Logo and Twitter Logo, but they're not a part of the standard and thus aren't included in most fonts. Only Apple users can see this:
Jup I can’t btw fuck Apple.
lul
<img alt="" src="https://awful.systems/pictrs/image/dfbee6b5-d483-4ca4-bf9c-c212ad2e28b4.png">
it renders as the co logo on fruitcompany hardware
although now I wanna go check the codepoint to see why it rendered as that on your side
codepoints.net/U+f8ff
lol
💷💶💵💴 Bitcoin should be an orange note with a ₿ on the left side, just like the other specific currency emojis.
It will piss the crypto bros off that their special Internet money looks the same as fiat
👤💰 ?
Silly emojis and joke emojis are good, though.
Bitcoin has an emoji but moths don’t… Wtf
It doesnt have an emoji yet
<img alt="" src="https://awful.systems/pictrs/image/5cd9c879-42d9-4c4c-b175-76cd94b19fb6.webp">
adding this to your post will get you laughed at and then banned
Bitcoin is stupid and therefore deserves an emoji. It is not worthy of ascii-art. (_!_)
Edit , this shitty webpage doesn’t support ascii-art. Re-edit, needed to add escape characters, true art is always born out of struggle.
Is…that supposed to be a butthole or a theigh gap
a butt, per the logo of this sub
Yea but the exclamation has a dot for an asshole or something. That’s what I’m asking about
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Why on earth an emoji anyway? $, €, £ and ¥ aren’t emoji either.
And now that I look, Unicode already has ₿ (U+20BF BITCOIN SIGN). Just use that. Or better yet, don’t.
o really? 💵💶💴💷
but seeing these are physical representation of those currencies… bitcoin’s emoji can be a usb stick (at least having an actual USB stick emoji can be useful in some cases like when making guides)
On the one hand, Bitcoin as an emoji would be basically useless.
On the other hand, it could work as an easy shorthand for “scam”
What the fuck happened here?
i dont know i just posted a silly thing and all hell broke loose 😭
The fediverse has randomly placed wormholes
don’t worry you can’t break the fediverse it comes pre-broken for your inconvenience
robux emoji when?
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for those playing the drinking game, that’s a shot combined with a scrabble triple score combined with a jinx